Before it ends. I probably won’t bother @Reyean or @SpicyPrawn about it until the 9th if it doesn’t happen before. Unless you think it would greatly improve the mood of many, then I’m open to bothering then sooner.
My understanding is that the vote closes on the 11th.
The team has done good work, but JTV just keeps digging a hole for himself and his team.
Joined one of his streams ~month ago and he was discussing how founders have stacked a shitton of money and probably living in luxury places, how the core development of Decentraland is not a very ambitious team based on the updates received last year.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1665752850?t=2h18m49s
I think it is good he is not streaming under Decentraland anymore, because he is representing Decentraland as a metaverse where no development is happening, ignoring the fact that SDK7 is under development or other updates mentioned in technical AMAs with foundation team.
Voting NO
I am little confused… The clip you posted, to me, did not seem like he was showing any hostility towards anyone in a harmful way…
I think we can all agree that it is a little concerning where all the mana/value went…It very much seems like a lot of “whales” have cashed out an disappeared from DCL. I am not understanding how questioning that is a problem? Are we not supposed to talk through things anymore?
As far as the development of DCL… While I am not a developer or know much about development, I, as an almost everyday user of DCL have not seen the level of development that I thought I would based on the amount of funding DCL has(had). While that is somewhat subjective, I dont see a problem with questioning it and opening up discourse.
It very much seems like your comments were preconceived and you just wanted to use that clip as if it were some damaging material to JTV and Exodus… Which IMO it is not…
If I were developing a game in DCL and have put tens of thousands of dollars into it…I would be concerned with the development and marketing of DCL as a whole as well…
I have no issues with you or anyone expressing their concerns/opinions. But when someones opinion is to not allow others to have an opinion or question anything, I feel like that is moving everyone backwards.
If he came out and started throwing hateful personal accusations I could see where you are coming from. But simply saying that he does not see the level of progress he expected and questioning the future development of DCL should not be a problem.
Honestly I was hoping for a “gotcha” moment in the video you posted… But there wasn’t one.
This vote was clearly not based on merit, but rather emotion…which about sums up the state of the world nowadays.
Oh the Bias!!! We did not learn
Did you watch the same clip? Are you so blinded by your own bias that you can’t even read what Shiny wrote?
She didn’t say “JTV can’t have an opinion”
She said “I think it’s good he isn’t streaming under ‘DCL’ since he doesn’t make a good representative” and she went on to site a video where JTV accused the foundation of not caring and implied they used DCL as a cash grab.
Okay, I am so confused with how this proposal seems to be going. I understand that there is a lot of history here regarding Exodus proposals and a lot of people have personal feelings regarding JTV and his team, but it’s like people are voting to pass this proposal when there are elements that would absolutely not be accepted from other teams. The roadmap is so vague and gives no details as to what users can expect to see aside from a general headline, and the budget is a short list with no figures. Plus, this is following a period where blanket no votes were being handed out left and right “because of the pause.”
Every time I check back on this forum I am just a bit more baffled by the choices people are making and how they don’t at all seem to align with how they would act in other situations. Did anyone actually read the proposal?
The budget tells us nothing about how the funds will be broken down and distributed other than a vague list of general roles and services that will be paid. I find it hard to imagine this would be accepted in any other situation.
I’m not saying Exodus doesn’t deserve a grant. I am saying I didn’t know we just voted for proposals now because we feel like its about time they got something.
Have you watched the DAO over the past 6 months? Are you so blinded by your own bias that you can’t even see that there are A LOT of very concerning things happening within the DAO?!
She did say “The team has done good work” followed up by insinuating her vote is not based on merit but rather her personal vendetta against JTV.
By all means have your opinions on who and who shouldn’t stream DCL…but that doesn’t take many opinions because there is a total of…well I can count the DCL streamers on one hand because everyone is gone.
JTV is the only relevant DCL streamer left…and because he is calling out the issues/concerns happening within the DAO, he is the bad guy?
I know deep down you KNOW the DAO has shady shit going on. You just have such a vendetta against JTV that you can’t change sides now.
Jarod, I would ask that you PLEASE answer this question for me: WHY has 99% of the users from a year ago left DCL?!
And remember, you are insinuating that there is PLENTY of development in DCL and the DAO is 100% legit.
I’m very curious as to what your thoughts are on this.
So please correct me with the “real” reasons the user base has rapidly deteriorated over the past 9 months.
Lastly, since you are stuck on the “JTV is calling out the founders”… Are they founders? Or are they owners? Founders should be open to discourse of a DECENTRALIZED METAVERSE… unless…wait for it…they are acting as if they are OWNERS who get to use DCL as their playground.
And that’s not an insinuation, that’s a legitimate question/concern I have about the DCL Foundation.
I am still here because I believe in the “Metaverse,” but you cannot sit here and tell me there is not a lot of improvement needed for DCL to be scalable.
Murray,
I respect the concern with the breakdown of the funding. I wouldn’t mind seeing a rough estimate of some of what the funds are used for. But to be fair, I don’t think they can really lay that out this far in advance. With the ever changing landscape of games as well as the DCL servers/updates, I am sure funding will need to be moved around based on some things the team cannot control.
My only concern is your statement: “I find it hard to imagine this would be accepted in any other situation.”
Have you seen some of the grants that have passed over the past 6 months? A few of them did not even have a legitimate game out yet and received funding. And Wondermine has not completed the roadmap from their first grant funding…meanwhile receiving another grant with barely any development on the most populated land in DCL… So yes, it has been accepted numerous times in other situations in the past 6 months.
I have no dog in the fight other than I do enjoy playing Exodus. But I would ask that you take some time to visit Exodus and see what the team has done. As well as do some research on the updates/expansion that is coming in the next month or so. They are the ONLY game in DCL making this level of development. They have spent 10s of thousands already developing this game…and now they are looking for some assistance to take the game to the next level and bring a legitimate web3 game to DCL.
I do respect your opinion and whatever way you choose to vote. But to pretend that this team has not gone above and beyond with their development (more-so than almost any other project in DCL) would be disingenuous.
I am not saying to pass the grant “because its about time.” But I would like to think there is no other team in DCL that truly deserves this more than the Exodus Team.
I totally understand how difficult it can be to predict things like changes in a game development environment, and have first hand experience with this, but being able to account for changes and potential roadblocks in your budget is something that teams should be able to do while laying out their proposal. I think sometimes with budgets and roadmaps we fear putting things out there because we feel like if we don’t stick to the exact plan we’ll be penalized- but change and adaptation is a normal part of any development process and as long as changes are communicated there shouldn’t be an issue. Putting out no plan or details to begin with because we don’t want to be wrong along the way is an issue.
As far as other grants that have gotten passed, I hear what you’re saying and I feel ways about those too. But we can’t change what’s already happened, we can only stop it from continuing.
I feel like grant funds are intended to be used to help projects build that can not continue to develop without funding. If that’s the case, the project should know exactly what funding they need and where they need it to be applied. There should be an explanation of the blocker- why they can’t continue to develop without the help of this grant. Grants shouldn’t be given out as rewards for teams working hard in DCL, that reward is benefiting DCL and seeing the profits of having a successful project. I just feel like the whole purpose of DAO grants has gotten so misconstrued.
Exodus has gotten turned down multiple times, and every time it turns into drama central but Exodus continues to develop just fine. They continue to be successful without the help of the DAO, so I just don’t see how DAO funds are necessary when they give little explanation of the need or how the money will be used.
I was hoping this grant would help this team to be less scorned, but based on the comments it almost seems as though the divisiveness is permanent and the team might be building on a platform that they hate.
Posting an expanded budget is something that 100% of every proposal had to do. This shouldn’t have devolved into a drama thread with sneak disses.
Also, big ups to Jar0d who helped secure the final vote. Of course nobody from the team will recognize this.
I really hope things change and that I’m wrong. I still see the value of this game, but the divisiveness is exhausting.
I think we may have a different thought process when it comes to the DAO… I am all for giving some smaller projects a small grant to get them off the ground… But what you said seems extremely backwards in my opinion…
If we are only giving grants to people with no funding then I think that completely deters anyone from trying coming in and trying to build something themselves.
So if Exodus comes out and says “we have spent 50k building this game, and we can no longer fund additional development because it is not in our best interest” You would be willing to give them the grant? But because they have self funded for 6-8 months you think they should keep funding it, even if it isnt cost effective?
While I can somewhat see where you are coming from in regards of giving people a chance, I dont think that projects should be punished for putting their own money into a game. If Exodus was a multi million dollar company then I would agree…but its literally being self funded by someone who is passionate about the metaverse and wants to build a web3 game, just like the rest of these developers.
I am totally in support of you wanting to have a better breakdown of funds. But the logic of only giving projects money who don’t have money seems very counterintuitive. It seems like you are rewarding those who benefit from projects that invest their own money, meanwhile punishing those projects actually creating value…
I dont mean to argue or anything…just very confused by this logic.
I’m gonna need you to show me how you came to this number.
No I’m not.
I hear what you are saying. We have broken down budgets in the past for cost breaks down based on programming, design, scene development, server, marketing, and video production. I wish I could say the development could go on without some funding. We’ve continued to meet the expectations and request of others from previous proposals.
To sum this up we are more than capable of making a game. As team members have worked for little to no compensation for approximately 8 months now. Our team is exhausted toward the mistreatment from many regardless of consistency. I can’t promise team members to continue development without some type of compensation. We are at a very early stage of Decentraland. If it’s to succeed it will need development loyally like we can contribute to continue even through the hardest possible times. DCL could potentially lose a very good team that given the chance would move under the right circumstances. I assure Exodus will not leave this platform as long as it can maintain it’s presents here.
Apologies for the long message and to anyone that feel I have wronged them in anyway.
Lastly and for the record this proposal was not posted or done by me. This was by the Exodus team and their promise toward continuing the Exodus development. My goal was to stay out of this but for some reason the Exodus proposals are like gas on fire for a conversation location.
@ShakenBake I think you’re slightly misinterpreting what I mean to say. I’m not saying only give grants to people with no funding or to punish people for putting their own money into their projects. I’m saying that there should be some transparency in the areas that need to be funded, like being able to say that without this help from the DAO we will not be able to accomplish x, y, or z. Or we have made it this far, but because of investing x of our personal funds we cannot continue with this amount from the DAO to fund these specific goals we’re trying to accomplish. It’s the transparency, awareness, and legitimacy of a project’s needs that makes the difference to me.
Giving funding to projects to help get started or because we believe they can become self-sustaining is a great thing, but this proposal also fails to explain the plan for sustaining themselves in the future. As an informed community member, and someone who plays most of the games in DCL, I know about Santa hats and the different ways that projects earn their revenue, but the proposal gives little details about the future plan. If we assume they’re asking for funds now because they can’t continue without the help, we should be provided with the plan for what they’ll do when this chunk of help runs out.
Also not trying to argue, I think its a good discussion to be had 
It very much seems like past issues have become grudges. Maybe I missed something but it doesnt seem like the Exodus Team has stirred the drama on this propsal…It very much seems like it is coming from the ones holding the grudges…
Maybe I am wrong but I did not see any Exodus Team members causing drama here…
As far as Jarod goes, I am hoping Exodus does give some recognition. And I commend him for taking the time to try out Exodus and give it a fair shake. As he stated on his twitter space it is not necessarily a game for him, but he sees the value in a game like it and agreed that their development was worth a yes vote on the proposal. As far as his personal issues with individuals I cannot comment on…
I do agree with you though, I really hope the divisiveness changes.
Don’t start making a statue of me yet, looks like someone with 4million VP decided a no vote was in order. Gonna need to rally some tropps for the DG 1.8 million to push them over the top now.
To me, this is where the transparency would be appreciated. If you are asking for a grant to pay your staff, then just say you’re asking for a grant to pay your staff.**
**Editing to clarify: I understand it says stipends in your budget, but is the majority of the budget going to this? As in, is this the only/largest blocker in the project?
However, if this is the case then it does make me want to know more about your sustainability model and plan for continuing once the grant ends? Is Exodus a game that is meant to make a profit? Or do you simply need the staff to complete the project and then you’ll maintain it on your own and won’t need to pay anyone moving forward?
Big respect for this. We can all start on the right foot now. It’s not too late. Less FUD and drama and more buidling. I’ll be the first to say that JTV’s A-game streams in the DCL category did so much great for the community.
There were a multitude of reasons why the market hit crypto the way it did, and why players left after losing so much money. The state of the market should not warrant development efforts. Let’s all keep building and get over the hate and frustrations. It’s literally not worth it.
The success of Exodus in Decentraland will greatly depend on the success of Decentraland itself. We do have model options for Exodus. There are not enough dcl users to sustain any model at this point. Our goal will be toward developing a game we can attract new users to Decentraland with as a free to play option. I believe as we get further through this bear market and get to see light again. We will trial and error paid option models. Our thoughts have been revolving around a Battle Pass style model.
To be honest, I don’t know where I can find the daily users from January 2022 to now. But you and I both know we are nowhere even near what we were a year ago or even 6 months ago.
The point still stands, where did all of these people go and why?
I feel confident in saying that many people left DCL because the lack of development. And many of the users that stuck around through the Summer into the Fall have either left or play very sparingly. And I have spoken to handfuls of them since and their reason for leaving is all of the sketchy things happening in the DAO during that time.
So to bring all of this together. You and Shiny are upset that JTV called out founders for lack of development and sketchy things happening within the DAO.
I find it hard to believe that you do not to some extent agree with JTV on this. Weather you believe he should say this stuff on a stream or not is irrelevant.
While we do not agree on some issues, I do respect the fact that you are passionate about things you do enjoy. (honestly have considered growing because of some of your content lol)
But you have to agree that some of the stuff that has happened in the past few months is very irregular and concerning.
I hope at some point DCL can get everything figured out and we can truly make this THE METAVERSE everyone enjoys.