by 0x153b2252eddcb3690ae6f5e9f38be13779e1364d (REDACTED)
Should the scene located at -1,-35 be removed from the Point of Interest list?
Sugar Club
I’m just going to put up every POI for a revote. Some have merit, and many do not, and I don’t want my bias to impact who is put up.
In an effort to make a non-emotional assessment of all POI’s I’ll be voting with the following criteria. I know many friends have worked hard to get their POI, and I don’t want anyone to feel hurt by changes to this system. However, it is time to create a new way of finding locations. If a person needs help to upgrade scenes to SDK7 please reach out, there are of people who would be willing to help you!
Criteria:
Is the scene functional? (Screens, elevators, and links working) No, screens and images are blank. I would REALLY love to see this updated to SDK7, as I believe it was the first venue in Decentraland and needs to be memorialized forever. It should have a Historical POI.
Does it require a specific event to be utilized, or can it be interacted with 24/7 (an evergreen scene) It was a music venue in the past with live DJ’s.
If the scene requires a scheduled event, was the last event hosted in a timely manner? I believe the last event was in 2023.
Does the scene hold valuable historical significance? YES, this venue should have a permanent POI on the map, but it also needs to have an explanation as to “why” it is important. I suggest we add it to historical POI’s if/when a new system is developed. As is, it is confusing for new users who do not know the history of this place.
They are still active and moving in other metaverse worlds i think advising of removal and support in brands as popular as sugar should be consider support outreach to continue brand activity in dcl with them.
Hey @Canessa , until I see a proper technical report on some bugs that have been affecting users such as gpu crashes on Mac I will stay away from looking at the client 2.0 and sdk7 .
Here are some screenshots from the discord channel that caught my attention lately
This client is not stable imo and at a level that would be considered alpha not beta release . Too risky to put my hardware to the test .
Besides one of the main reasons I stopped created in DCL was the low DAU . What incentives is there for me to spend time upgrading a scene for what essentially is a dozen participants?
I would like to see a DAU of at least a few thousands (not dozens) to justify me spending time again on this platform .
Sugar club was the start of streaming and music event in DCL along with the NFT community and I’m glad I could quickstart it , be it historical or significant it may be , it became clear to me that at present things have changed for me personally and professionally and the constant upgrading that sdk versions demand is a barrier to reentry into the ecosystem .
And lastly It’s the third time this year that my POI is challenged to be removed 
. Isn’t there a better use of time and resources to improve or add players to the game than this ?
Cheers !
SC
As stakeholders in Decentraland’s ecosystem, I believe we have a shared responsibility to advance the platform’s development through consistent engagement and meaningful contributions. POI holders, particularly those who have received substantial DAO funding exceeding $50,000, should maintain their scenes’ functionality and actively participate in the platform’s growth. The community has demonstrated exceptional support, including providing voluntary technical assistance to landowners for scene updates, and allocating funds for scene conversions… it’s essential to establish clear and equitable standards for highlighted projects and contributors.
Our POI evaluation criteria should prioritize sustained commitment to Decentraland’s development and demonstrable contributions to increasing Daily Active Users (DAU). This approach would help distinguish between long-term contributors who consistently work toward the platform’s success and those who engage opportunistically. To build Decentraland into a globally recognized platform capable of attracting significant user bases, we must emphasize and reward sustained, meaningful participation over intermittent involvement.
I am in talks to upgrade a legacy build for sdk7 , even though there are technical challenges that are not in my control ( consistent DCL bugs , and GPU crashes for MAC hardware . )
Canessa has already changed her vote to NO because of my interaction and reaching out to the tech team.
So I can expect you to change you vote as well @CheddarQueso ?
I couldn’t help sensing a subtle passive aggressive tone with your rather formal adress specially after the last exchange we had where I thought it ended in amicable terms .
Either way do as you please 
Hey @Sceth thanks for the update regarding the SDK7 upgrade efforts and the technical issues you’re facing. I want to clarify that my previous message reflected my personal perspective on how POIs should operate, emphasizing the importance of consistent development and contributions to Daily Active Users (DAU). This is not an official guideline, but rather my view on how we can ensure equitable recognition of community contributions.
While I understand the technical limitations you’re encountering, I maintain my position based on my belief that POIs should demonstrate sustained engagement and meaningful contributions to the platform’s growth. This perspective is not meant to target any specific individual or project, but rather to advocate for a community standard that rewards consistent participation.
I value our previous dialogue and I’m open to discussing how we can better support creators facing technical challenges while maintaining high standards for community recognition. Cheers.
@CheddarQueso Thanks for the clarification. And I do agree on POI standards towards “continuous “ participation specially for active scenes.
However what is being proposed here is a subset of POIs called legacy POIs and I am one of the few remaining old guard content creators still here today advocating for that . I don’t see much discussion from previous grantees or old creators today that are here and answering questions , advocating and remain engaged . So again Sugar club stands out as an exception 
and I am more than happy to be the first to deploy a legacy build with the support from the foundation and the encouragement of Canessa that has been very welcomed .
What bothered me in your previous posts and others like Jarod regarding the POI of sugar club is the recurrent themes I have heard before of :
Sugar club left DCL after his grant finished, so they don’t care anymore . SC is an opportunist. SC is acting entitled for fighting for his POI to remain in place . Basically a watered version of the constant attacks I had to endure during my grant ( and many other grantees ) that we are “DAO drainers “ .
I believe there is a disconnect in messaging here . On one hand DCL desperately needs and advocates for promoting content creators , on the other hand , the people that had the opportunity to participate in a grant system legitimately because that’s what it was made for, are still today being targeted for having used such offering. Many have left not only because money ran dry but because the environment became so toxic that there was no other choice .
Were there abuses back then when the grant system was in place ? Surely .
But that is not a reason to lump each and everyone of us that used those channels to make them feel like they did something wrong. I am very proud of what I offered over the years in DCL with or without a grant and the fact that after 4 times trying to remove this POI it was rejected attests to this , by DCL members that to this day feel the same way .
And just for the record again to reiterate I have supported and advocated for DCL since 2017 . Many of those years actively creating content was for free . We all have different journeys here in the metaverse and my offering since the beginning was In the spirit of creation .
But you already know that .
I’m literally putting up every POI, so please stop trying to make this something more than it is. No one has it out for you, no one thinks you didn’t provide value in the past. It just seemed easier to remove my own bias if every scene is put up for a vote.
I literally almost didn’t put this up just because I knew you’d make an insane amount of drama
But at least it finally got you to actually take steps to update your build so it wasn’t broken.
@NOTjar0d Thanks for your respectful reply . I guess we are coming at it from different angles . For you it’s just a formality to put my POI for removal .
But to me it’s the 4th time that I have to revive the wounds of having to defend tooth and nail my value and legacy in DCL and every time I say to myself just let it go but something pushes me to become overly passionate about this issue more than I should be probably . Maybe I’m just too sensitive about it and I need therapy lol .
Very sorry that you felt personally attacked. I’m sure I would feel similar levels of frustration if in your shoes.
I don’t think anyone worth listening to questions the value you brought to Decentraland or your place in its history. And that includes myself who did make that absurd statement “maybe tuda was right” or whatever dumb thing I said in frustration. But in my defense, you pretty much always just attack me as a person and have done so since our first interactions, and unless I’ve blacked out some memories of us interacting, I didn’t start this interpersonal bullshit.
But back to the point at hand, I don’t currently see a reason for you to be upset, it appears as though the voters agree your POI should stay.
If it would make you feel better I can delete this prop since it isn’t going to end in a way that changes anything, and then you can live in peace without it hanging over your head or whatever, since I do know the stress of having open props you find unpleasant being open.
Let me know if that solution works for you, just know that deleting the prop deletes the forum post so if you said anything here you would want to stand the test of time it will also be deleted with it.
Nah just leave it in place . Better to keep it that way now that it’s done.
Regarding what you just said . I think the reason I began being confrontational with you dates back to the period when you went on your crusade to sue District X and the whole upsetting environment that it created in the Decentraland community at that time. Yea I get it that it was maybe necessary to do or that some people needed to be held accountable for their actions but my problem with that is that it created an environment where this issue took center stage and devolved into a really negative environment for everyone. And there was very little room for any thing else namely all the things I care about which were content creation , positive discussions and collaborations .
And so I pushed back a few times to try and change the topic but that was interpreted by some as me defending DistrictX and being part or some cabal or whatever ridiculous non sense . I have no relation to them or to the people involved in that fiasco . The only person I felt defending was Carl because of all the help he provided on my journey back when I started with his DCL academy course and I felt that he was framed in a wrong light . So that was largely the extent of my involvement with him .
Maybe you and many others felt justified to go after these people but the aftermath of that super toxic environment that this created was also detrimental to the community and to the people looking from the outside . And that damaged partly the brand and sentiment towards DCL imo.
That coupled with the onslaught in BS from Tuda looking to paint me as some bad actor made me extremely defensive and protective. Looking back I think i could have maybe voice my opinions better but I also do not regret speaking out and defending myself from what I perceive were wrong accusations.
That’s the jist of it from my perspective. So I can also now in good faith apologize to you for being confronting and belligerent but it was because of my perception of the indirect damage to the brand that you were instigating wether you were aware of that or not . Cheers.
I really appreciation your thoughtful explanation, taking ownership of your part in our conflict and happily accept your apology.
I do still think taking meaningful action in regard to districtX is important, but i acknowledge that i could have gone about it better, and i apologize for my approach to the situation, and my generally shitty ability to express my self in a manner other then aggressively when i become defensive or feel unfairly attacked.
Remove the location -1,-35 from the Points of Interest
This proposal is now in status: REJECTED.
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