Its not about the work I’m talking about. its about the cost. Long term this is going to hurt the DAO.
It can be easily done for 1k per month per member which is currently 4 and then x 6 you would pay 24k or do even a year for cheaper.
With these rates its unjustified to overpay them.
I dont believe its underpaying, there are many people that would love to do this work for that amount.
I have an analogy would you rather buy an iphone for 640 but every 6 months you repay 640 again
or
would you rather buy an iphone for 480 and every year you pay 480 again?
both are same color, same model, same ram, same cam, same everything.
“Since Jun22, the Squad has worked with more than 190 grantees.” WOW
Can you show us some analytics, documents, etc? @palewin
And since you’re here asking for a grant, can you tell us who’s in charge of monitoring your grant?
Again you have my “NO” vote.
Maybe its the region where Il live in where 1k feels like 10k my dad have alot of patients he treats, they are working for 400 16 hours a day no weekends off with their entire back bones and leg bones and muscles need fysiotherapy. So I think thats thougher then 6 hours per day for them for 1000$ per month doing office work plus bonus weekends off.
I think this all is regionally different then 
sorry to bother you.
Thanks a lot for the sweet comment about my work! 
I’m sorry to hear that you and Zino didn’t have the smoothest ride buuh 
but I genuinely value his contributions to the team. We need a mix of approaches and experiences to handle the diverse range of grants in different categories, we currently have 40, to be exact! (Yep, lot of work) While I’d love even more diversity on the team, financial constraints might make that a waiting game.
@Zino plays a crucial role, and his vast legal experience helps us shape processes with responsibility, tackling the not-so-fun task of analyzing projects when things get tricky. He’s super keen on beefing up the governance process, and dealing with the Revocations Committee, which is never an easy job to do.
I’m so happy that you and @didiimakiii enjoy working with me (me too), I just want you to know that I’ve got an awesome team backing me up. Together, we’re committed to finding the best and fairest ways to support you.
I will be back later to share some thoughts about my point of view with salaries. Have a great day 
Hey fifi really appreciate your feedback, I just share my opinions due to my conflict of interest and bad experience with him, You are the only reason I haven’t voted NO. About yarasita and pablo I dont have much to say barely know them so cant really publicly speak about them I bet they are really sweet too! Really would love to see you continue your work like you do. You really up the name of the GSS which is a really good thing. About the salaries I’m a bit objectively worried it had minor to do with the need of a GSS.
Because I truly believe we need a GSS despite the fact that it is going to be expensive!
I see improvement in this proposal on the budget already which is a great thing so take my critics not so heavy! Open to discuss what you can elaborate on the salaries, coming its from you such great person! I want to say I give you alot of credibility!
As someone who has been involved with Decentraland since the ICO it’s heartbreaking when DAO money is wasted on projects that are not effective and don’t deliver value to or enhance the platform. Worse still when grant funded creations even make the platform look bad (I think we all know which content/events fall into that bucket)
I’m leading a team who are creating an live instructor led training application which we are templating and open sourcing for others to use both in GC and Worlds. Working with Fifi on that has been a pleasure. I am a long time software engineer (30 years of experience) and I have been impressed by the professionalism of the GSS and the way they are helping projects structure their work so it can be effectively evaluated over time. It’s really easy to assess on-going grants because of the work they are doing. Without them there would be no backbone to these grants projects and everything will start to unravel.
The experience I have had can only be described in the most positive terms and that they are a credit to Decentraland.
Personally, I would love to build for free, just because I enjoy building and growing the community. I was doing that before I ever made any money here. It was a cool hobby that let me practice a lot of different skills. Of course, outside the metaverse my body needs food, water, clothes, and shelter to stay alive. To have those things I have to make money. Time is free, but I only have so much of it, and some of that time has to be spent making money so that I can stay alive to get more time. So while I might love doing things for free, society makes it pretty hard for me to do that for very long. Especially when building really cool ideas ends up costing me a lot of time and money.
A lot of people where I live are basically just working and sleeping, and don’t even have time for hobbies that cost them money. Inflation is making it more expensive to live, and most companies have the same mentality that you have - pay the absolute bare minimum needed to get a warm body into a job. Only raise the wage when nobody is willing to work for it anymore. Since some people are single with no kids and are fine with their job becoming their entire life, that becomes the standard expectation for everyone.
The sad thing is, people do better work when they can spend time doing things they love. But if we only raise wages when we run out of people willing to do a job, we end up with people working jobs they hate because the money is good.
I guess what I’m saying is, the real life standards of capitalist society might not be the best system to reference if we want people to do good work. Once again our problems in Decentraland could be solved if only we could figure out society’s most complex problems - like how we could improve the flaws of capitalism without going full-on communist, knowing that both ends of the spectrum leave plenty of room for corruption.
Considering your iPhone example - if spending $640 every 6 months bought me an iPhone that somehow prevented me from losing $2000, I’d buy it every time. And that’s a more appropriate analogy for the GSS. We’re spending money to save money by adding some accountability to a grant system that exists in a world where people are incentivized to make as much money as possible in the least amount of time.
Hello @mazafaka! Sorry for not responding earlier. Regarding your questions:
In the history of DCL, 202 grants have been approved. Of these, 50 belong to the first stage (2021-2022), before the GSS was created. As soon as we started working, we contacted them to see if they had fulfilled the committed projects or not (we found that 36 complied and 14 did not, of those 14, we were only able to recover some money through refunds and 1 revocation = $14,916). Since the establishment of the GSS, we have worked with 94 projects before the New Framework (2022-2023, 3 are still active) and with 58 from the New Framework (2023), of which 38 are active. On the other hand, in relation to the grantees, I can tell you that we have interacted with 269 people linked to grants. 80 are from North America, 58 from Europe, 50 from Latin America, 25 from Asia-Oceania, and the remaining 56 have not reported their nationality.
If a concern related to our Grant is raised, we send it directly to the DAO Committee to analyze, and they go through the same process established for all the Grants. This is something to add to the Framework of the Revocations Committee, but we are using this step. Also, it is written in our public documentation, specifically here. On the other hand, we need to revalidate our work with the community every 5 or 6 months, like all the core units, by submitting a renewal (like this one).
Regards,
Hi @LandlordDao
Thank you for your input. Your engagement is appreciated, and I’d like to address some of the points you’ve raised.
I would like to clarify that the budget for core units during Q4 was frozen on October 1st. Our proposal does not aim to increase platform management expenses. Instead, it is a thoughtful way to allocate previously discussed and considered funds. We are committed to responsible budgeting and financial sustainability.
I completely agree with your perspective on the importance of improving the platform itself. It’s a challenge that the entire Decentraland community can work together to address. I’d love to hear more of your thoughts on how we can achieve these goals and further enhance the Decentraland ecosystem.
Have a great day!
Zino
Thank you for your answer @palewin
Renewal Grant Support Squad H1 2024 [Resubmission]
This proposal is now in status: PASSED.
Voting Results:
Congrats @palewin @Zino, Wish ya luck, I hope you are going to work for better future of this community.
Thanks @mazafaka! And hi everyone!
Thank you all for voting on the proposal. We are very pleased to continue our work. Clarification: although this contract starts on December 15th and ends on May 15th, the 5-month period referred to in this grant began on December 1st and ends on April 30th (we’ve never paused our work).
Thanks!
Congratulations to the GSS for passing their proposal, Hope we will see our given feedbacks taken in and turned in to something positive!
Some additional recommandation I have is.
Really hope 2024 will be the Best Year of the DAO!
Hi @InJesterr !
I’m sorry for not getting back to you earlier; I hadn’t seen your message.
Thank you for your suggestions. Here are some comments on your points:
We are actively working to expedite this process. However, as you can imagine, conducting the analysis of each case takes time, especially when multiple formal requests overlap.
In the process, it is stated that if there is a formal request concerning the GSS, the DAO committee is responsible for reviewing it and determining whether or not to escalate the case to the revocations committee. Here is the framework.
We are always doing our best to improve processes.
Indeed, given the reduction in the squad’s budget and its members, we have decided that Fifi will be the only one to receive a promotion in this grant.
Greetings and thank you!
Thats great to hear, wish you all goodluck on the following 6 months! Great decision to promote fifi aswell and congratulations to her 
Hi @Zino Firstly, I apologize for the late reply, and congratulations on the approval of your grant. I hope you can make things even better. I don’t know if you’ve heard the saying, ‘Onlookers see more clearly,’ which means that people outside a situation often have a clearer perspective. Another phrase someone from our DAO community shared with me, also from Sun Tzu’s Art of War, is ‘Know yourself, know your enemy, and you will never be defeated in a hundred battles.’ I prefer the next line: ‘Know yourself but not your enemy, and you win one, lose one (50%); know neither yourself nor your enemy, and you are at a loss in every battle.’ If you understand our platform’s competitors well, perhaps you can find the answers. I don’t understand code or technology, but I believe that continuous breakthroughs are needed in technology and code on our platform. Don’t let your current vision limit you. What seems impossible is everything that is possible. I hope my message perspective is helpful to you also for all the DAO community members.
Indeed, the purpose of the DAO extends beyond just facilitating grants; it’s about platform breakthroughs, innovation, and collaboration, addressing core issues. We are committed to moving in this direction and not relying solely on the foundation.
Thank you for all your efforts for the platform.
—“Teamwork makes dreams work.”—
Renewal Grant Support Squad H1 2024 [Resubmission]
This proposal has been ENACTED by a DAO Committee Member (0xfb1afa4dc069ffb47b19dbee196045d508fcd5a2)
Vesting Contract Addresses: 0x9b6e28109d589f9042266bab5f5124f255f0a90e