# "Delegation Transitivity" should result in the same as having a council **URL:** \ **Category:** Governance\ **Tags:** tao-of-dao\ **Created:** [December 19, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452 "2024-12-19T12:32:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ozymandias](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/ozymandias/32/30657_2.png) [@Ozymandias](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Ozymandias)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452/1 "2024-12-19T12:32:23Z")
The network topologies presented by Gino in [should-we-restructure-the-way-our-dao-operates](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-a779859-should-we-restructure-the-way-our-dao-operates/23032/21) is of interest here. ![topologies](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/decentraland/original/3X/d/c/dc4f3fd3d2d8001bdd48812a99d2056dbc5450f9.png) What we want to get in the end is the topology `B` in this picture, “Decentralized”. A council represents the topology `A`, the “Centralized” one. The nodes at the periphery are all concentrating onto a single ring of entities, the council. As it is rather difficult to ascertain the true identity of any council member, the danger of a Sybil attack on this level is very much real. A system of Governance where decision-power is allocated via VP Delegation is what gives rise to a Decentralized Topology. Each individual entity delegates their VP to a “representative”, who can then chose to delegate the decision-power into the hands of a yet more “trusted and qualified” individual. The power to take back the delegated VP remains at all times, which is what keeps this all properly decentralized. Sybil attack is not an issue for the VP of Decentraland, as any “real individual” would still need to spread any VP over the number of “fake individuals” that they may generate, thus the total influence remains the same. ---
**Author:** ![Ozymandias](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/ozymandias/32/30657_2.png) [@Ozymandias](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Ozymandias)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 12:33pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452/2 "2024-12-19T12:33:30Z")
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**Author:** ![AaronLeupp](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/aaronleupp/32/30299_2.png) [@AaronLeupp](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/AaronLeupp)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452/3 "2024-12-24T18:18:23Z")
Very cool, def open to all alternative ideas right now since as we can see things are very stagnant. Efficiency is key and if this accomplishes this but also self self sufficiency would be epic. Processes with less or no red tape, committees or councils and not having to ask people for votes or permission i think would help everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Ozymandias](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/ozymandias/32/30657_2.png) [@Ozymandias](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Ozymandias)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 3:22pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452/4 "2024-12-27T15:22:19Z")
It has to be understood that `Delegating VP to someone is like _choosing to vote the same_ as them.` _This_ is the actual purpose of delegating: to unburden yourself from the responsibility of voting. When you will just not have the time or ability to do so yourself ! What to do first, is to find someone you believe will be dedicated in getting the right decisions passed. You essentially say “I will let you tell my VP how to vote, I trust you”. Statistically, on average, this trust will be warranted. And if it turns out to not be, you can always take back your VP ! ---
**Author:** ![Ozymandias](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/ozymandias/32/30657_2.png) [@Ozymandias](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Ozymandias)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452/5 "2024-12-27T15:28:14Z")
Now if you don’t even have the time… the time to research who is dedicated ! that is where Delegation Transitivity can help. All you need, really, is someone you know can do that research for you. And then they should be able to just re-delegate your VP to whomever they find is best ! And if that person is in the same way, not having as much time as whomever _they_ think would be best… Well then let the re-delegation continue shuttling the VP to where it should _really_ be going… the VP should be in the hands of a trusted and qualified few. There should be constant notification each time your VP is thus re-delegated, of course ! And if you don’t like where your VP has ended up… well you can always take it back, can’t you ? ---
**Author:** ![Ozymandias](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/ozymandias/32/30657_2.png) [@Ozymandias](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Ozymandias)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452/6 "2024-12-27T15:28:37Z")
Try to take back your decision-power when a council gets involved, let’s see how that works out for you. ---
**Author:** ![Ozymandias](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/ozymandias/32/30657_2.png) [@Ozymandias](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Ozymandias)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/delegation-transitivity-should-result-in-the-same-as-having-a-council/23452/7 "2024-12-30T21:08:29Z")
The [“Summary” on page 24](http://121.254.254.220/repec/yon/wpaper/2021rwp-192.pdf#page24) and the [experiments on page 29](http://121.254.254.220/repec/yon/wpaper/2021rwp-192.pdf#page29) are good TLDRs for this overall well-written paper: > **[Transitive Delegation in Social Networks: Theory and Experim](https://ideas.repec.org/p/yon/wpaper/2021rwp-192.html)** > > This paper develops a model of delegative democracy in which each voter can either vote directly or delegate her vote, together with the votes delegated to her, to another voter and analyzes the incen This paper is actually making a case for _fractional delegation_ too !