# \[DAO:77fe338\] Should the Community Be the Final Arbiter in Grants Revocation Decisions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Governance\ **Created:** [August 11, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212 "2023-08-11T16:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dao](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/dao/32/386_2.png) [@dao](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/dao)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/1 "2023-08-11T16:09:26Z")
> by 0x247e0896706bb09245549e476257a0a1129db418 (StrategicUnit) ## Linked Pre-Proposal [Should the Community Be the Final Arbiter in Grants Revocation Decisions ?](https://governance.decentraland.org/proposal/?id=78bacea0-2fa2-11ee-a512-65477fceb1b0) ## Summary This proposal seeks to determine whether the Decentraland Community should have the final say in the revocation of Grants through the DAO governance process, thereby aligning the decision-making process with the principle of decentralization. ## Abstract This proposal emphasizes the existing procedure where the Grant Support Squad and Revocations Committee can initiate a preventive pause or revocation of the Grant Vesting Contract when potential concerns are raised. However, this proposal suggests an enhancement to this process: the final decision on the revocation of the Grant Vesting Contract would be subject to the outcome of a Community vote. If the Community vote is in favor of the Grantee and against the revocation, the Grant Vesting Contract won’t be revoked. In such a case, any preventive pause that had been initiated would be lifted and the Grant Vesting Contract along with its payments would be continued, and vice versa. ## Motivation The Decentraland DAO is the decision-making tool for MANA, NAMES and LAND holders in Decentraland’s virtual world. The DAO’s Grants Program is one of the best vehicles to help grow the Decentraland ecosystem and must be aligned with the main spirit of Decentraland - Decentralization. Currently, the revocation of Grants is done by the Revocations Committee, which may not fully reflect the Community’s will. This proposal suggests that while the Revocations Committee should continue to exist and make the initial decision on whether a grant should be revoked, the final decision should rest with the Community, providing a safeguard mechanism to override the Committee’s decision if necessary. Grants revocation decisions should not be delegated to a small group of individuals, instead, they should be resolved through the DAO’s governance process, which was designed as a legitimate tool to mirror the Community’s sentiments. ## Specification For a detailed overview of the proposed amendments, please refer to the **[Complete Specification.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ak0TE7kigK50JhM1NNO0XPdCe7wj8hp4vm90ksQXpdk/)** These amendments are intended for integration into the **[current Revocations Committee Framework.](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VPb33QdeFlg-qnmclWZF2Ll_3USLUnFO/)** ## Conclusion By allowing the Community to override the decisions of the Revocations Committee through the DAO governance process, we can ensure that the Grants Program remains a true reflection of the Community’s desires and needs. The Revocations Committee will still play a crucial role in evaluating cases and making initial decisions, but also that the Community has a say. It strikes a balance between the need for specialized decision-making and the principle of decentralization.This proposal seeks to enhance the grant revocation process by aligning it with governance process and equip the Community with a clear protocol for handling relevant cases, thereby making procedure simpler and optimizing time. **[Vote on this proposal on the Decentraland DAO](https://governance.decentraland.org/proposal/?id=6f77cf10-3861-11ee-aec9-fb54fc0c7896)** **[View this proposal on Snapshot](https://snapshot.org/#/snapshot.dcl.eth/proposal/0x1b9a9f6f60650eb6bacc46e40e1ccba16c70ccc8935517f349245d4d777fe338)** ---
**Author:** ![web3nit](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/web3nit/32/27357_2.png) [@web3nit](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/web3nit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/2 "2023-08-11T16:10:37Z")
Current [Grants revocation process](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VPb33QdeFlg-qnmclWZF2Ll_3USLUnFO/edit). P.S. The Revocations Committee was previously known as the Accountability Committee. ![R1](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/decentraland/original/3X/d/7/d739f5a81aaefae7603c78b0dc9a378de379eef9.png) ![R2](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/decentraland/original/3X/9/3/9318547b689426c31820654cf70e897e51575f16.png) ---
**Author:** ![web3nit](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/web3nit/32/27357_2.png) [@web3nit](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/web3nit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/3 "2023-08-11T16:11:35Z")
[Proposed amendments](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ak0TE7kigK50JhM1NNO0XPdCe7wj8hp4vm90ksQXpdk/) for integration into the current [Revocations Committee Framework (grants revocation process)](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VPb33QdeFlg-qnmclWZF2Ll_3USLUnFO/). ![R5](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/decentraland/original/3X/5/2/52b7e7f4002f82e445a3ca8dbb2f7c5a02e4d4cb.png) ---
**Author:** ![web3nit](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/web3nit/32/27357_2.png) [@web3nit](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/web3nit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/4 "2023-08-11T16:14:20Z")
My thoughts on this topic: - [1](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-35be15c-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20062/20) - [2](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-35be15c-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20062/32) - [3](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-35be15c-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20062/4) - [4](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-35be15c-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20062/6) - [5](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-35be15c-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20062/14) - [6](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-35be15c-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20062/34) ---
**Author:** ![Morph](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/morph/32/26679_2.png) [@Morph](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Morph)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/5 "2023-08-11T17:55:13Z")
As much as I like the idea of more community accountability, there doesn’t seem to be enough decentralization for this to be possible, often, grants are passing in the first place due to large amounts of VP by teams involved, the revocation committee should have the right to sufficiently end grants that are not meeting the criteria as voted in for. Having the community vote will muddy the waters of revocation, and would be much better used to remove revocation committee members who are not acting in the best interest instead of requiring constant active political involvement. ---
**Author:** ![jar0d](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/jar0d/32/28367_2.png) [@jar0d](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/jar0d)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/6 "2023-08-11T17:56:21Z")
Why does it seem like the community only gets to vote on restoring revoked funds and not on if the grant should be revoked in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![web3nit](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/web3nit/32/27357_2.png) [@web3nit](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/web3nit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/7 "2023-08-11T18:52:11Z")
Hey, it works in both directions. ---
**Author:** ![InJesterr](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/injesterr/32/26746_2.png) [@InJesterr](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/InJesterr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/8 "2023-08-11T19:43:56Z")
I’m all in favor to decentralize everything this sounds like a solid idea, I hope the community keeps in mind that we have to achieve decentralization in small steps. ---
**Author:** ![jar0d](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/jar0d/32/28367_2.png) [@jar0d](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/jar0d)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/9 "2023-08-11T22:04:50Z")
This is literally a step backward from what was just voted into place by the community very recently. ---
**Author:** ![friskybumblebee](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/friskybumblebee/32/26646_2.png) [@friskybumblebee](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/friskybumblebee)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/10 "2023-08-11T22:34:09Z")
I know individuals may think it’s excessive, but I think it a great way to ensure decentralized decisions by having the community involved at the very end. ---
**Author:** ![AaronLeupp](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/aaronleupp/32/30299_2.png) [@AaronLeupp](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/AaronLeupp)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 3:18am UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/11 "2023-08-12T03:18:31Z")
A lot of this goes over my head. I know it is cuz I not that smart but also I think don’t we over complicate things to much? Like honest question why dont we just have the vesting on an escrow type system where portions of the money is released when the mile stones are achieved? Instead we legit now have a process where 1. vote for a grant to pass 2. vote people n a team to over see the grants 3. vote differnt staff in at differnt times 4. vote on an approval of a revocation. I may be missing something but wouldn’t it be more efficient to have just a performance escrow system? ---
**Author:** ![PunkPink](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/punkpink/32/30478_2.png) [@PunkPink](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/PunkPink)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 8:00am UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/12 "2023-08-12T08:00:54Z")
I don’t see why we shouldn’t have a complementary system to the revocation committee, I think this proposal obviously makes Decentraland more decentralized and I don’t understand the reason for voting no to this. ---
**Author:** ![MetaDogeisme](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/metadogeisme/32/27167_2.png) [@MetaDogeisme](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/MetaDogeisme)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 8:46am UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/13 "2023-08-12T08:46:22Z")
I think this is a good idea, and I think it is already the case now. As far as I know, the governance proposal can override the decision made by the revocation committee, but let’s hear some confirmation from @HPrivakos. ---
**Author:** ![web3nit](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/web3nit/32/27357_2.png) [@web3nit](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/web3nit)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/14 "2023-08-12T09:17:13Z")
Hi @MetaDogeisme , thanks for the feedback. Indeed, gov prop can override it. This initiative aims to streamline the grants revocation process, making it more efficient, while aligning it with the existing opportunities within the governance process. ---
**Author:** ![MetaDogeisme](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/metadogeisme/32/27167_2.png) [@MetaDogeisme](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/MetaDogeisme)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/15 "2023-08-12T12:50:28Z")
cool, no problem at all! ---
**Author:** ![MelzBuenaVibes](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/melzbuenavibes/32/27074_2.png) [@MelzBuenaVibes](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/MelzBuenaVibes)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/16 "2023-08-12T13:34:48Z")
I believe that if the community voted for a proposal to pass, they should have a voice before a proposal is revoked. Having the community component to this process will avoid one centralized smaller unit/group of people make a decision that most of the community may not agree with. It also ensures that the community can solidify a decision for revocation. I believe it works well both ways. As such, I’m in agreement with this proposed change in our current process. ---
**Author:** ![HPrivakos](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/hprivakos/32/20568_2.png) [@HPrivakos](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/HPrivakos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/17 "2023-08-12T14:17:01Z")
Yes, by asking for a new grant ahah You could also do a governance proposal, but it takes longer and needs more VP, so better just ask for a new grant ---
**Author:** ![Eibriel](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/eibriel/32/405_2.png) [@Eibriel](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/Eibriel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/18 "2023-08-13T19:47:30Z")
Voting **No** , I don’t feel the DAO is currently healthy enough to allow for this loops on the decision process. If we could make this kind of decisions wouldn’t be a Revocations Committee in the first place. Lets talk again if this [change to the DAO](https://governance.decentraland.org/proposal/?id=46e573c0-36bf-11ee-be2d-676a2489bc16) is successful. ---
**Author:** ![MelzBuenaVibes](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/melzbuenavibes/32/27074_2.png) [@MelzBuenaVibes](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/MelzBuenaVibes)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/19 "2023-08-14T01:15:33Z")
Hi @web3nit. I’ve taken another pass at your draft proposal and have a thought/recommendation. ![1](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/decentraland/original/3X/6/0/60d17a4cd23286b8ed9ef4f554a6ffc611d13430.jpeg) I believe the highlighted section may overcomplicate things. Instead of having the 6M VP plus (+) reaching a 60% majority of the votes threshold, I believe we can simply stick to the majority vote like it’s currently done in the grant/governance proposal process. This will ensure alignment across the platform. Instead, the formula can look like this: **6M VP plus (+) an overall majority of the votes threshold** ---
**Author:** ![web3nit](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.decentraland.org/web3nit/32/27357_2.png) [@web3nit](https://forum.decentraland.org/u/web3nit)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212/20 "2023-08-14T13:44:32Z")
Thanks for feedback. Agree, that make sense, we can upgrade it in gov proposal if this passes. [Next page](https://forum.decentraland.org/t/dao-77fe338-should-the-community-be-the-final-arbiter-in-grants-revocation-decisions/20212.md?page=2)